David Taylor
What's the best way of unpicking some of the failures that have resulted over the last 50 years of city planning and city development? And I suppose as a subsidiary question to that, to what extent do you think the motor vehicle has been a key part of wrong turnings?
Adrian McGregor
Well, I propose in the book that the environmental crisis really is a design process. And that many of the decisions that we've made have been working against our environment and our long-term prosperity. And therefore, we've known for a long, long time that carbon pollution is a problem, and that it's fundamentally changing the biosphere and our world and that that's having a heavy impact economically and socially across our cities now. Some of these poor design outcomes are creating the current predicament and the motor vehicle is one of those. We've known for a long time that cars have really severed a ton of connectivity of our cities in many ways. Many cities are now trying to retrofit that and come back to walkability and to repair some of the damage that the motor vehicle has done to cities. We're seeing, all around the world, electrification of public transport now, and better connectivity in terms of how we move around cities. And we also know that there's a connection between human health, obesity, and many other aspects of human health related to too much time in motor vehicles as well. These things are all interconnected. So: if we are smarter about how we design our cities, then we make improvements to human health and environmental health.
David Taylor
Which cities on the world stage are exemplars in what you propose at the moment? I think Vancouver's on the cover. Does that mean that's one of them?
Adrian McGregor
This is a question that I'm asked many times, and there are really few cities that demonstrate excellence across all of the 10 systems. So, you can single out individual cities for high performance, if you like, across individual systems. And certainly, Vancouver is one good example. Singapore is really a good example. Copenhagen is another one, even Amsterdam. So, it really depends on which of the systems that we're talking about, as to which cities excel. But what we need to do is really get to a place where cities improve performance across all systems, and then achieve mutual outcomes across those, and then that leads to, ultimately, prosperity and better health for citizens.
David Taylor
And where does London rank, would you say, in a league status, kind of equation across the world? Where does it rank? And where can it improve? And how can it improve?
Adrian McGregor
I think that London clearly needs to decarbonize very, very quickly. Like most cities. It's a mega city as well. It's an economic powerhouse. And I think that, you know, continuing to work on cycling, and decreasing the role of motor vehicle in the city, obviously has an impact on things like air pollution. And we're starting to understand the role now of air pollution and long-term impacts on human health, across any large cities. So certainly, that's one thing. Open space, I think it needs to work on. It really struggles with a high population and a low provision of open space, which, again, has impact to the health of its citizens. And as it continues to increase its urban population it has got to find creative ways to increase commensurate open space. Its commitment to being a national park city I think is really innovative. And I'd be very interested to see how it can use that idea to continue to enhance prosperity and improve its urban conditions.
David Taylor
Final question, because we're up to time. But you mentioned right at the start, that it has taken 15 years of work to work on this book. So, I'm presuming in that period, the world situation's got a lot worse, climate wise, and knowledge about climate issues have risen up the agenda. How do you stay optimistic?
Adrian McGregor
I think that human beings are ultimately very, very intelligent. And I think that we understand our predicament. And really, we have the technologies; we know what to do. I think it's really now unlocking the political and economic levers that we need to drive forward our continued progress. I think you've got to remain optimistic that we can do it, and that we know how to do it. We just have to move. And I think that there is a growing awareness now of the impact of carbon on temperatures and what it's doing to extreme weather across the world and sea level rise. So, we understand the issues. And I think we have the solutions. And now it's about speed. It's implementing those solutions.
David Taylor
Well, good luck with the book and the wider, slightly larger project (laughs) of biourbanism across the globe!
Adrian McGregor
Thanks so much.